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Re: Inline VALOF

I have a copy of the sources for WinF, but they formally are the property
of TLM Software and Julian Wilson.

I may not have the exact latest version. I use WinF all the time, version
3.0.11 June 18 2000.

Med vennlig hilsen / sincerely
Ãyvind Teig

Ãyvind Teig
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                    Ian East                                                                                         
                    <ian.east@xxxxxx       To:     "Barry Cook" <Barry@xxxxxxxxxxxx>                                 
                    pex.com>               cc:     Occam Family <occam-com@xxxxxxxxxx>                               
                    Sent by:               Subject:     Re: Inline VALOF                                             
                    14.12.2006 18:23                                                                                 

On 14 Dec 2006, at 16:18, Barry Cook wrote:

     We have a fundamental problem in having a large number of things to
     express and insisting on being limited to a monochrome, latin

We all asked for a bit more, but got Unicode, in a dozen different
flavours. Modest lumps of UTF-16 i feel add a lot, without too much
pressure on input devices. Have adopted UTF-16 for Honeysuckle, but only
to add a smackerel (likeÂâ and â).

     I guess this is partly because we use text editors and simple
     keyboards. I've not been at all impressed by the productivity of
     graphics input systems (drag and drop is so slow compared to touching
     a key or two).

Text editors manage well IMHO. It's the keyboards that are limited. Maybe
there's a market for an additional keypad for those extra unicode tidbits.

     I wonder if there is some intermediate, maybe a more flexible display
     (colour, more symbols) and extended keyboard use - I guess ctrl-... is
     fairly well used by the OS and Applications for shortcuts but ESC-...
     might offer some possibilities (it was originally intended to be used
     this way but got a bit hijacked somewhere - Unix?). Of course we might
     need extended editors

I always hated having to recall keyboard combinations. It would never
prove popular. Take emacs commands for example - much hated by every
student on my C course.

     (what happened to folding? - I don't see much mention of it, even
     though it is available in Emacs, ...).

I recently looked into this. Best of the bunch seemed to be FE and jEdit,
but NONE I could find treated a fold as a logical unit the way F did. My
test was to fold a block, indent it, and unfold. If the indent applied to
entire content then it would pass. Most useful here is to comment an
arbitrary block out. Only F did these things (unless someone out there has
found something else!). F IS still around as an exe, but all source seems
to have vapourised. Can findÂneither time nor student to write a


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